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instead of acknowledging the positive news, jack welch led a group of lesser lights saying the numbers must have been manipulated by the obama administration and that the unemployment rate couldn't really be below 8%. jon stewart weighed in. >> it's gotting to corrupt political manipulation of the official statistics. what else would explain why after unemployment has been steadily declining for the last year that now suddenly right before the election it declines a little more? please. >> a lot of people are saying that the government's cooking the books here. >> i'll tell you these guys are saying they feel like they cooked the books. >> look, i got to say, if you're cooking the books, 7.8% unemployment is at [ bleep ] recipe. it's like the radish stew of jobless numbers. if you're cooking, make a nice jambalaya, something nice for people. unemployment is 2.6%. >> enough said. >>> with the election just weeks away positive news about the economy ignites desperation among angry republicans. last time i told but republican congressman paul brown, the member of the house science committ
instead of acknowledging the positive news, jack welch led a group of lesser lights saying the numbers must have been manipulated by the obama administration and that the unemployment rate couldn't really be below 8%. jon stewart weighed in. >> it's gotting to corrupt political manipulation of the official statistics. what else would explain why after unemployment has been steadily declining for the last year that now suddenly right before the election it declines a little more? please....
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. >>> jack welch, the former head of general electric, will no longer contribute to reuters news and fortune magazine. welch's decision comes in the wake of controversy sparked by a tweet he sent last week suggesting the white house manipulated job numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy daycare outside of chicago has stepped in it with the nation's coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change it name and its logo so that customers aren't confused. >>> and could these shoes be coming to a shoe store near you some us ladies hope not. the so-called scary beautiful heels are backwards so it makes the feet point straight down like a ballerina. the designer says the shoes are a commentary on today's impossible standards of beauty. and apparently impossible to walk in. >>> san francisco stays alive, a bountygate update, and the space jump will have to wait. plus the athletics steal game three from the tigers. that's all coming up in sports. you're watching "first look" on msnbc. yeah. yeah. then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...allstate safe driving bonus check? what is
. >>> jack welch, the former head of general electric, will no longer contribute to reuters news and fortune magazine. welch's decision comes in the wake of controversy sparked by a tweet he sent last week suggesting the white house manipulated job numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy daycare outside of chicago has stepped in it with the nation's coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change it name and its logo so that customers aren't confused. >>> and...
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here's what the former general electric ceo jack welch tweeted. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change the numbers. >> plus, arizona senator and former republican candidate john mccain saying this on cnbc earlier today. >> i question exactly what those numbers are. our discussion about the w.a.r.n. act that just took place where they're in blatant violation of the law. i wouldn't put anything past this administration. >> by the way, the w.a.r.n. act he refers to requires businesses to tell employees about potential layoffs 60 days in advance. here with reangction, former lar secretary elaine chow. thanks very much for joining us. you were the labor secretary. you had the national butreau of labor statistics under you. what do you think about this possibility of a conspiracy? >> when i was at the department of labor, i think the bureau of labor statistics was very professional. they did a very good job. i don't know what's happening now. i can't speak to that. but the fact that this administration has delayed the issuance of t
here's what the former general electric ceo jack welch tweeted. unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate, so change the numbers. >> plus, arizona senator and former republican candidate john mccain saying this on cnbc earlier today. >> i question exactly what those numbers are. our discussion about the w.a.r.n. act that just took place where they're in blatant violation of the law. i wouldn't put anything past this administration. >> by the...
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but i thought it was surprising that jack welch. think before you tweet. >> greta: yes, indeet deed. he is getting a lot of heat for that. >> i think it's a mixed message. the unemployment number is driven by the household survey, which is very volatile. september typically scr is the most volatile month. what i look at is the establishment survey, which is important because that is done with actual business scpoarns they are surveyed on a regular basis in terms of jobs they are creating. and the 114,000 jobs that were created this last month is very anemic, barely enough to keep up with population growth. so you couple the anemic job growth and the reset from gdp and revisited it to 1.2% growth last quarter. the fed is printing mon weqe3 and europe is imploding right now. we are looking at at an environment with a total void of leader help in washington. we are still in rough waters right now. >> greta: you know, i suspect as much as we wait around for the numbers every month and pay attention to them. i have a track here, which --
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ceo jack welch. unbelievable job numbers. they can't debate so they change the numbers. he appeared earlier today on "your world." >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. every economist predicted roughly 90,000 to 120,000. this economy doesn't feel like the employment improved this level. it is just -- maybe it's a coincidence that the month before the election, we have a number that comes out 1/10th below when the president took office. >> sean: jack welch is not the only one tawing of this timely development. listen to what business insider said on fox business new york this morning. >> i feel like i am watching a movie, a suspense movie. because there is no way in the world these numbers are accurate. and somebody needs to dig real deep into this. how in the world, miraculously, we have the best flz 30 years, right before the election? somebody needs to do an investigation, like they are doing an investigation in libbia. they need to investigate the numbers because there is no way in the world these numbers are accurate
ceo jack welch. unbelievable job numbers. they can't debate so they change the numbers. he appeared earlier today on "your world." >> these numbers don't smell right when you think about where the economy is right now. every economist predicted roughly 90,000 to 120,000. this economy doesn't feel like the employment improved this level. it is just -- maybe it's a coincidence that the month before the election, we have a number that comes out 1/10th below when the president took...
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now as far as jack welch is concerned, you're all sitting around talking about jack welch, a great legend in business, a very smart guy, he's 100% correct, 100% correct. >> wait a second, in terms of the chicago political guys manipulating the numbers? >> how does it go down to 7? there wasn't an economist in the country and after the election they'll do a big correction but jack welch has it right, there's no question 100% and a lot of the numbers that they're using are given by the obama administration. >> i know ken has a question for you, but my only thought on this whole thing is, i don't know that i buy that 7.8% number. i don't think that's real. i don't know that it was politics necessarily. >> nobody buys it. >> he's saying it's the numbers given to the bls by the obama administration. there's a lot of assumptions. obama care, the cbo, you can't impugn the cbo for coming up with $1 trillion for obama care. it was the numbers they got, double counting taxes, all of these bells and whistles in obama care to get it to work out. >> right. >> hold on. for the past year one of the talk
now as far as jack welch is concerned, you're all sitting around talking about jack welch, a great legend in business, a very smart guy, he's 100% correct, 100% correct. >> wait a second, in terms of the chicago political guys manipulating the numbers? >> how does it go down to 7? there wasn't an economist in the country and after the election they'll do a big correction but jack welch has it right, there's no question 100% and a lot of the numbers that they're using are given by...
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. >> of course last week it was former general electric chief jack welch, alan west and right wing pundits making the allegation. we should remind viewers what got them so siexcited. until a few days guy conservatives were claiming all of the national polls, saying, they must have been off. the latest gallup tracking poll shows president obama's lead widening to five points again. today president obama was shoring up the hispanic vote just days before voter registration deadlines in 11 states. the president dedicated a moment to caesar chavez. >> where there had once been despare, geez ared dis/* dispare, caesar gave people hope. whether it was bet are work conditions, that was a reminder that we are all god's children. >> dedicating a monument to caesar chavez within let's bring in correspondent from magazine. ari, president obama is not taking his lead or strength from the hispanic community. he wants more. he is trying to really solidify this. play to his base. how smart a strategy is it? >> i think it is smart and i think what the president has to do right now is get out there and get
. >> of course last week it was former general electric chief jack welch, alan west and right wing pundits making the allegation. we should remind viewers what got them so siexcited. until a few days guy conservatives were claiming all of the national polls, saying, they must have been off. the latest gallup tracking poll shows president obama's lead widening to five points again. today president obama was shoring up the hispanic vote just days before voter registration deadlines in 11...
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here is what jack welch said. the data collection system is biased and overstated. i'm not sorry for the heated debates that pursuit. i am not the first to question government numbers and hopefully i will not be the last. what did you make of that whole brouhaha. >> i am not inclined to believe that the numbers were that kind of thing. i think that it is very difficult to do. the bigger issue is whether it was a blip or two, a statistical blip, or whether this is going to be a trend. we are probably not going to know that until after the election. gerri: at least one more data point to come. jonathan, what did you make of getting fired for him. the man ran ge. >> he diverted the attention away from the substance of the numbers because he went back to the integrity of the numbers. 114,000 new jobs is nothing to celebrate. we need 150,000 jobs to absorb all the new college graduates. i was surprised that he diverted from the fact that it was not good job supported all. gerri: that rummy is disturbed by that, a new low in the political season. >> it is very sleazy thin
here is what jack welch said. the data collection system is biased and overstated. i'm not sorry for the heated debates that pursuit. i am not the first to question government numbers and hopefully i will not be the last. what did you make of that whole brouhaha. >> i am not inclined to believe that the numbers were that kind of thing. i think that it is very difficult to do. the bigger issue is whether it was a blip or two, a statistical blip, or whether this is going to be a trend. we...
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. >>> well, jack welch. the former head of general electric, a partial partner to this network, will no longer contribute to reuters. the tweet suggested the white house manipulated jobs numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy day care outside of chicago has stepped in it so to speak with the nation's biggest coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change its name and logo to avoid any customer confusion. >>> a new study out of denmark finds that the more expensive running shoes do not prevent injuries or make you run faster. >>> and it's that time of year again. the nieman marcus 2012 christmas catalog is out and it is complete with all the outlandish gifts like his and her diamond studded watches for a cool $1.1 million. bill, that's our christmas gift to each other. >>> coming up, san francisco stays alive, a bountygate update and the space jump will have to wait. >>> plus, the athletics steal game three from the tigers. your sports headlines are straight ahead. >>> i thought my gift to lynn was a
. >>> well, jack welch. the former head of general electric, a partial partner to this network, will no longer contribute to reuters. the tweet suggested the white house manipulated jobs numbers for political gain. >>> a doggy day care outside of chicago has stepped in it so to speak with the nation's biggest coffee chain. starbucks is asking star barks to change its name and logo to avoid any customer confusion. >>> a new study out of denmark finds that the more...
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et cetera talk about jack welch still stirring the pot on this. almost all bona fide economists, many who have advised both, you know, presidents of both parties have said there was a statistically anomaly showing the unemployment rate fell but only 114,000 jobs were created and anomalies after when you look at a long series of data. jack welch, the 7.8% unemployment figure released by the bureau of labor statistics last week is down right implausible. this is a tweet, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so change numbers. >> let's be clear. when people were really most upset about is jack welch directly saying that somehow the obama campaign twisted the numbers. >> right. and, look, you can talk about how debt are collected, you can talk about statistically anomalies, about the fact that the recovery has been subpar. that's what jack welch is saying he's right about, the recovery has been supposed par. everyone was having that real conversation. but to say that someone directly changed the numbers because
et cetera talk about jack welch still stirring the pot on this. almost all bona fide economists, many who have advised both, you know, presidents of both parties have said there was a statistically anomaly showing the unemployment rate fell but only 114,000 jobs were created and anomalies after when you look at a long series of data. jack welch, the 7.8% unemployment figure released by the bureau of labor statistics last week is down right implausible. this is a tweet, unbelievable jobs...
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so jack welch just can't let it go. said he was right about the strange jobs report. >> if you say so, sir. >>> in just a few hours the supreme court justices are going to begin hearing arguments concerning affirmative action in college admissions. abigail fisher claims the university of texas rejected her because she's white. let's talk to somebody who knows a lot about this firsthand. president of columbia university, president of university of michigan between 1996-2002, during which time he served as defendant in two supreme court case on affirmative action. thank you for talking with us. >> thank you for having me. >> when that case ended back in 2003, the sense was, maybe we'll need to discuss this for another 25 years. so here we are nine years later. affirmative action before the supreme court. what has changed that this is now before the supreme court again? >> well, i don't think anything has changed. i think the gruder decision which was in 2003 as you mentioned, really for the first time set down the princip
so jack welch just can't let it go. said he was right about the strange jobs report. >> if you say so, sir. >>> in just a few hours the supreme court justices are going to begin hearing arguments concerning affirmative action in college admissions. abigail fisher claims the university of texas rejected her because she's white. let's talk to somebody who knows a lot about this firsthand. president of columbia university, president of university of michigan between 1996-2002,...
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if you believe jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, he said the chicago guys would do anything, accusing them of tampering with the numbers. the obama bipartisans feel this was a bare yes they needed to break, the 8%. there will be a report november 2nd, right before the election and we'll see what that report says. >> looking ahead this week, vice president joe biden and paul ryan debate. the stakes are higher. how do you expect them to do? >> there's a local factor to this, a congressman from montgomery county and parts of other places is playing paul ryan who he served with on the budget committee. ted olsen, a washington lawyer, former solicitor general is playing joe biden. you're right, there's going to be more attention now because this is the whole ticket. ryan is really not tested on a national stage. joe biden has been around forever, it seems. he has a reputation for sometimes saying the wrong thing. you saw in the package where he made the statement, the middle class has been buried. so i don't know which way this is going to go. but ryan, again, benefits from proba
if you believe jack welch, the former ceo of general electric, he said the chicago guys would do anything, accusing them of tampering with the numbers. the obama bipartisans feel this was a bare yes they needed to break, the 8%. there will be a report november 2nd, right before the election and we'll see what that report says. >> looking ahead this week, vice president joe biden and paul ryan debate. the stakes are higher. how do you expect them to do? >> there's a local factor to...
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welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that the partisanship starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the president a boost in the wake of a terrible debate performance. but bottom line, it's a sign that the trend is moving away from the debt sweep we've dealt with. >> let me pick up on that. we heard david kerley say some democrats are saying what debate? how much of a boost does it really give the president, given the lackluster nature of his performance the other night? >> it doesn't give the president a do-over. he still had a lousily first debate. that hurts. it hurts. it's not determinative. ultimately, the
welch. what does it say about partisanship in the country? >> it says that the partisanship starts to rot people's brains. the theory is just -- we need a good name for this. i nominate job nutters. but this really is ridiculous. this is -- first things first, this is good news for the country. and, yes, it benefits the president because it adds to argument. it takes away the argument that unemployment rate's been over 8%. it's a positive sign for the country. and frankly, it gives the...
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doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is participating, who is not working, who is trying for work, who has dropped out. it just begs the question. i think there ought to be a good discussion how this number is calculated. >>reporter: most analysts and the obama campaign are dismanage the criticisms as "without evidence." >> we wonder why institutions in this country are, the perception of institutions are failing, because people go on tv and make sufficient h stuff -- make stuff up. >> they had full charge of the first two years and the policies this president put into place actually made it worse, including the fact that obamacare is ta
doug we talked about a tweet from jack welch. did that ignite the controversy? >>reporter: the recovery surrounding friday's release of the unemployment numbers continues to swirl after jack welch, the respected former c.e.o. of g.e. treated "unbelievable jobs numbers. the chicago guys will do anything. can't debate? change numbers." facing criticism if the tweet he stuck by the criticism of the numbers. >> this number is made up of a whole mess of assumptions: who is...
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we were just talking about this tweet from jack welch. he tweeted, unbelievable numbers. the chicago guys will do everything. can't debate the numbers. it is lighting up the tweet sphere. >> there was a huge 873,000 increase in the household survey exceeding the 418 in the labor force. a lot of these numbers, is there wiggle room? there's assumptions, right? >> there's a lot of wiggle room. they're calling up people on the phone. who knows who answers the phone? nowadays you have cell phones and you're not going to answer the phone at home. my phone won't be answered because you'll say that's some weird person polling me. >> although some would say how come it goes and not above. that is volatile. >> because of that, don't trust the number like that. steve had the right answer. he was averaging on ten months and now it was his forecast that was easy. >> and to be honest with you, if i was going to manipulate them
we were just talking about this tweet from jack welch. he tweeted, unbelievable numbers. the chicago guys will do everything. can't debate the numbers. it is lighting up the tweet sphere. >> there was a huge 873,000 increase in the household survey exceeding the 418 in the labor force. a lot of these numbers, is there wiggle room? there's assumptions, right? >> there's a lot of wiggle room. they're calling up people on the phone. who knows who answers the phone? nowadays you have...
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when it comes to distrust and reporting, jack welch certainly is not alone. take a look at what gary tuchman uncovered about voters, about polls and, yep, the media when he followed paul ryan on the stump. >> reporter: before he walks into this college gymnasium in rochester, michigan, the crowd's already been whipped into a frenzy. and on the same day when paul ryan's done with his campaign speech here in swanton, ohio. >> i really appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter: there's no shortage of enthusiastic supporters hoping to shake the vice presidential candidate's hand. ryan then delivers a well-received stump speech. >> we need to change presidents. and we need to elect mitt romney the next president of the united states. >> reporter: but amid the enthusiasm there is anger among many people at these rallies. seething anger at the news media. >> the media lies. the media are for obama. >> i got to be honest, i can't stand it. it's brutal. it's dechtly one-sided. >> let's hear it for paul ryan. >> reporter: paul ryan said it himself that he believes there wa
when it comes to distrust and reporting, jack welch certainly is not alone. take a look at what gary tuchman uncovered about voters, about polls and, yep, the media when he followed paul ryan on the stump. >> reporter: before he walks into this college gymnasium in rochester, michigan, the crowd's already been whipped into a frenzy. and on the same day when paul ryan's done with his campaign speech here in swanton, ohio. >> i really appreciate it. thank you. >> reporter:...
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>> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washington on this, joe and i talked about it, there were between points that i would make. one, nobody messes or manipulates these numbers. but, took i think we exaggerate the importance of the numbers for this reason. the people who will vote on november the 6th know what they feel about the economy already. they're living it every day. so because there's a headline that says 7.8, it's a talking point, but they already know what their friends and neighbors are doing. >> when do we find out how romney is fun raising compared to that 180 million or whatever? >> i think if it was so par with obama's, we would have heard already. i think it's probably behind. >> you don't hear that that's unbecoming to have so much money to spend. just don't hear -- it's alway s the republicans. >> it's not decided by money. nice to have, but there is saturation information for the small number of swing voters. and even if obama beat romney by 20, 30 mi
>> i think the jack welch stuff was crazy talk. and earlier in the year when you guys were down in washington on this, joe and i talked about it, there were between points that i would make. one, nobody messes or manipulates these numbers. but, took i think we exaggerate the importance of the numbers for this reason. the people who will vote on november the 6th know what they feel about the economy already. they're living it every day. so because there's a headline that says 7.8, it's a...
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this is "the washington post" -- this comes from the story you probably heard about jack welch yesterday. there is the math and statistics. we want to get your reaction. tell us your job status as well as it currently stands. the phone numbers will be on your screen. you can also reach out via social media. can i ask your job status? caller: right now i am disabled. host: how long is that? . caller: one year. host: tell us a little bit about your current situation and your reaction to 7.8% unemployment figure. caller: i have three torn ligaments in my shoulder. host: are you getting disability. disability caller: yes. . host: what type of work do you do? are you pursuing some kind of work that does not require physical labor? caller: i am going to school. . host: for what? . caller: a want to be a technician. host: what type of technician? caller: a mechanic. host: quaker town, pennsylvania, good morning. caller: glad to get through again. this has to do, when you talk about work or work ethic, today is the day that we set aside -- i called last year and talked to susan on october 6 last
this is "the washington post" -- this comes from the story you probably heard about jack welch yesterday. there is the math and statistics. we want to get your reaction. tell us your job status as well as it currently stands. the phone numbers will be on your screen. you can also reach out via social media. can i ask your job status? caller: right now i am disabled. host: how long is that? . caller: one year. host: tell us a little bit about your current situation and your reaction to...
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this data into some comments that were made by jack welch. here is a tweet on that -- host: he is referring to comments made on twitter earlier today by jack welch, who said clear this morning that the unbelievable jobs numbers -- of those chicago guys will do anything, the cannot debate so the change the numbers. that is from jack welch, the former head of general electric. that was on his twitter feed from earlier today. that is reported on a bloomberg and elsewhere. we're waiting for mitt romney who has a rally said in abingdon, virginia. we will take you there when it gets under way. the president making his way to cleveland state university for a rally there this afternoon. we will have that live at 2:30 eastern. that will be live at c-span.org. what you think about the jobs number and the presidential race? caller: it is good, a big deal. the guy from tennessee, he does not know what he is talking about. right now, we have to come together. this is big news. not republican, not a democrat. this is for everybody. i do not understand why
this data into some comments that were made by jack welch. here is a tweet on that -- host: he is referring to comments made on twitter earlier today by jack welch, who said clear this morning that the unbelievable jobs numbers -- of those chicago guys will do anything, the cannot debate so the change the numbers. that is from jack welch, the former head of general electric. that was on his twitter feed from earlier today. that is reported on a bloomberg and elsewhere. we're waiting for mitt...
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i want to let you know about the story on jack welch, the former chairman of general electric appeared he was dropped as a columnist from "fortune" magazine and reuters.com after he tweeted out questions in a tweet, the bureau of labor statistics job numbers, the 7.8% unemployment numbers. here he is in "the wall street journal," "i was right about that strange jobs report." ohio, independent, john, good morning to you. caller: good morning. glad to join your conversation. about affirmative action, i think we are really at a stage where we should basically say that everyone is equal. if there is discrimination, we should take aggressive action, but if we just treat everyone equally, i think that we would make better progress achieving equality. ho: ok. john from ohio, an independent there. another story, from "the new york times." "u.s. military sent to jordan on syria crisis." mostly this military unit is helping jordan handle the estimated at 180,000 syrian refugees who have crossed the border and are severely straining the country's resources. foreign policy is to be a topic in the
i want to let you know about the story on jack welch, the former chairman of general electric appeared he was dropped as a columnist from "fortune" magazine and reuters.com after he tweeted out questions in a tweet, the bureau of labor statistics job numbers, the 7.8% unemployment numbers. here he is in "the wall street journal," "i was right about that strange jobs report." ohio, independent, john, good morning to you. caller: good morning. glad to join your...
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the idea that someone like jack welch could go on television and single-handedly embarrass himself by saying that somehow these statistics are made up? it is incredibly dangerous. we wonder why institutions in this country, while the perceptions of them are failing, because people are making these things up. as for the evidence? he said that he had none. host: that was robert gibbs talking on "meet the press" yesterday. we have 15 more minutes taking your calls on what you want to hear from the mitt romney at foreign-policy address later this morning. staying on foreign policy, ryan is on the line from amarillo, texas. caller: i wanted to talk about the function of a iran. there are more sanctions on this country, and we already have problems with them. we want to police these countries to make them hate us even more? it could lead to another war. i want to see mitt romney talked about what we could do to have these countries help us, rather than causing more problems. host: let's go out to atlanta, georgia. independent line. joe, go ahead. caller: in my opinion, mitt romney is a nake
the idea that someone like jack welch could go on television and single-handedly embarrass himself by saying that somehow these statistics are made up? it is incredibly dangerous. we wonder why institutions in this country, while the perceptions of them are failing, because people are making these things up. as for the evidence? he said that he had none. host: that was robert gibbs talking on "meet the press" yesterday. we have 15 more minutes taking your calls on what you want to...
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. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points accord to go what karl rove was talking about, 49-50%. and looking at virginia, and there mitt romney has pulled ahead of president obama 49-48% within the mar begin of error, but definitely experiencing a debate bounce. and speaking of which, let's talk about the money they have been able to raise because this plays into how people are feeling after the debate as well. in just the 48 hours since the debate, mitt romney has been able to raise 12 million dollars online and just staggering numbers. >> peter: at the same time, the president announced that they raised 181 million dollars in september, about 1.8
. >> peter: and interesting 7.8% number, economists and jack welch, where did this come from, the raw numbers put out and a disconnect. >> clayton: we have to look the at revised numbers a few months later and maybe find out in december what the true number was or were in september. but we have new numbers out of ohio. the all important battle ground state of ohio where president obama has been leading significantly there. in recent polls, well not significantly, but 5 or 4 points...